User talk:Bawitdaba

Hello
If you were wondering who those 2 IPs were, they were both me, as I am usually the only one around here who says random silly shit, like "Anananai", or something like that. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 21:49, August 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay gotcha, thank you for informing me. Do you play Sega stuff? I grew up on some Sonic (less than Mario though) & a bit of Super Monkey Ball as well. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:54, August 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Why yes. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 13:58, August 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, for some reason, I am unable to import anything, even if I am an admin here. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 15:20, August 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * I disabled import permissions as I'd prefer things be added manually (like instead of importing Wikipedia sockpuppet templates we can use the ones I customized. What was it that you wanted to add? Bawitdaba (talk) 15:27, August 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 15:28, August 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * For instance we already have sockpuppet and sockpuppeteer on the wiki -- the two that I customized for Miraheze Gaming Services and possibly other wikis outside of it. Bawitdaba (talk) 15:29, August 27, 2022 (UTC)

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Page talk
Hi, do you think the tomato sauce can robots are cool? MontyMoleLoreMaster2 (talk) 23:03, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 23:03, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Cool, do you mind helping expand the information and adding more images? You can find good images in the Polish Sonic Wiki for some reason (though is it cool if you get an image from their appearance in "Lair on Lockdown" since it isn’t on either of the wikis). MontyMoleLoreMaster2 (talk) 23:07, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid it's outside my field of expertise (I only watched a bit of Sonic Boom several years ago). And yea I was told the Polish Sonic wiki at one point had more Mario & Sonic coverage Bawitdaba (talk) 23:10, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, should I make a page on Madmole next? Also you are cool with getting more images (since a lot of them are on the Polish wiki)? MontyMoleLoreMaster2 (talk) 23:12, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah go ahead and make a page on Madmole. Mind linking the images btw? Bawitdaba (talk) 23:13, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * The Polish wiki has a lot of good images to use: https://sonic.fandom.com/pl/wiki/Sos_pomidorowy_Doktora_Eggmana/Galeria MontyMoleLoreMaster2 (talk) 23:15, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * We can add some but not all those images, as I have stated that episode image galleries (at least without captions) are not allowed (fair use-related reasons -- just believe me on this -- spongebobwiki.org needed to have all of its 200-image episode galleries purged before switching hosts). What I mean is, for an article, a gallery section with some images is ok, but not like hundreds of images without captions. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:28, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * I meant like the notable images and not every single image, if that is understandable. Also, like my page for the Scrapheap Bot? Oh also, sorry I forgot to mention this but a lot of the stuff was taken from Sonic News Network if that is ok with you. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:32, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes that's fine (just give credit). Bawitdaba (talk) 23:33, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Also yes, the notable images are fine. You can download images on Fandom as WEBP and use this to convert them to PNG. Bawitdaba (talk) 23:35, October 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you cool with helping out with adding the images (for the pages I created so far)? Anyways, what image should I use as the main image for Madmole’s page (maybe their Sonic 3&K artwork)? Also, should the Flying Battery Madmoles get their own page or be grouped with the regular Madmoles? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:03, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Flying Battery Madmoles get their own page, yes. And the main image should probably be artwork of their latest appearance. Also, would it be fine if I declined retrieving some images (at least for the time being)? I'd need to become a bit better versed in that material. You may add the important images though Bawitdaba (talk) 00:24, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * How about those two pages can get their images added later? Also, are any of the other mole badniks from the series ever been confirmed to be related to Madmole? Also, the only Madmole artwork I know is their Sonic 3 & Knuckles artwork so you know any other artwork of Madmole? Also, mind adding more Madmole images when I finish the page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 00:33, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Some other time we can possibly do images for those two pages. Meantime, add more images. Also, use that S3&K art. and yeah i could possibly add some Madmole images (i still need to get to Yoshi Crafted World sometime) Bawitdaba (talk) 00:36, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Are Mogu and Minimole related to Madmole or no? They do have similar designs and Japanese names so that is why I asked. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:06, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say so, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 01:48, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Would they be like relatives to Madmole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:30, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 02:31, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't both of them also have similar attack patterns to Madmole and even are in similar looking holes? Also, should any character appearances in other media be put in the same page (like with the Super Mario Wiki and MarioPedia), with the exceptions of if they are heavily redesigned to warrant their own page (like the Crab Bots for example)? Also is the Encylo-speed-ia reliable? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:35, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah it can be on the same page unless it get too long (in which case we can have a go at making a subpage). I also think they're relatives to Madmole, yes. I would treat Encylo-speed-ia as reliable -- an official source is an official source (SMB Encyclopedia was said to be unreliable by many, yet you guys see it as reliable). On wikis that I run i state "if it's official it should be treated as such." Official sources do make mistakes, which can be acknowledged as such. In short i don't want wikis that i run (HMfan chiefly runs Mariopedia, not me) to be a debate of which official sources are reliable and which aren't -- it's almost like asking what's canon and what isn't. If it's official, go right ahead Bawitdaba (talk) 02:47, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * So can we treat most pieces of official Sonic media as a part of the same universe and not split every single page for a character who appeared in another piece of media? Anyways, what enemy or boss should I make a page on next (note, I am not doing main cast enemies or bosses if that is fine with you). MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:12, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Well it depends. For instance, in Sonic Generations, Classic Sonic is clearly separate from the modern Sonic, but we wouldn't cover the Genesis titles only on the classic sonic article -- same with how we wouldn't cover Zelda Wind Waker on Toon Link article (instead on Link article) -- because those are specific characters separately created based on the main character's original appearance (in this case Classic Sonic being created from Sonic). Also, I'd say you go ahead create more mole pages :P Bawitdaba (talk) 03:19, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Should I make the next page be Mogu or Minimole? Also, mind making a group infobox cause I wanted to put the sentient Appliances in that category? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 03:22, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * You choose the next. And sure I can do that Bawitdaba (talk) 11:17, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Any other mole badniks that are related to Madmole? Like would similar Japanese names count? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:51, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't think of any right now. And I'd say that could be a possible indicator, yeah Bawitdaba (talk) 21:54, October 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Mind helping get an image of Monty Mole in Mario & Sonic at the 2012 London Olympic Games? Also, are Burrobot, Grounder, and the mole from Sonic Colors meant to be related to Madmole or no? Mind helping to find out? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 15:36, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. Also, if they are Badniks, I'd put them under relatives on the basis that they all share a common trait of being mole-based Badniks. Bawitdaba (talk) 16:31, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Was Big Squeeze intentionally made to be related to the Laser Prison from Sonic Mania? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 19:47, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure Bawitdaba (talk) 19:49, October 29, 2022 (UTC)

Badniks
Any confirmed times where badniks were considered a part of the same line? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:29, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Also unsure Bawitdaba (talk) 20:35, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Mind checking? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:39, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you're trying to request here Bawitdaba (talk) 20:40, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering if any badniks have full hard proof on them being a part of the same species as another badnik? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 20:49, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * This I am unsure of, and I don't know how we'd be able to discover that for ourselves, as it appears to be based on context. Bawitdaba (talk) 20:53, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * What about with Madmole? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:03, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Same -- similar to Monty Mole, you know more on Madmole than I do, as you spend all the time researching mole enemies. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:08, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, anyways what page should be made next? How about Spike Bonker since they have a good role in Sonic the Comic? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:12, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure Bawitdaba (talk) 21:17, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Mind if you make the page? I am kind of tired right now. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:23, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm also tired. I need to see a friend soon, but I'll see what I can do. Bawitdaba (talk) 21:25, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:28, October 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Wanna make more pages for Badniks? If so, which badnik should we make a page on right now? Also, a Sonic tweet confirmed that every piece of official media is canon. What do you think about that? Also Motobug canonically said "Fuck off Sonic" along with a weirdly muscular Burrobot.
 * Perhaps Bawitdaba (talk) 01:38, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * What badnik should get a page first? Also liked my idea on making this wiki making everything more connected since the Sonic News Networks splits pages from other media? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:43, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably do Buzz Bomber first. Yeah, though splitting/same article depends on if the subjects are the same (e.g. Buzz Bombers in games and comics deserve same article), different -- or even the same subject, just from a different standpoint.
 * By the way, regarding how long Mariopedia has been down, Miraheze is going to improve backup strategy in the future (they made a statement here) so that these errors don't happen again. They still trying to recover data, and have sent the affected drives over to professionals to assist in recovering the data. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:52, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I was thinking like if they had a different design or name in another piece of media they could get a different page (like the Bee Bots in Sonic Boom). But if they have the same name and stuff, they can just be put in the Buzz Bomber page. Also it is cool that Mariopedia will become more secure once it is recovered. Oh and also, are you cool with making a Crabmeat page as well? Also, you agree with Sega’s statement on everything being canon? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:58, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, it depends if Bee Bots are explicitly the same or not. And yes, Miraheze will make Mariopedia more secure. I could possibly do Crabmeat, yes. And yeah, even if there's retcons and contradictory information, it's still "canon" -- as I think of it in terms of "official but told through different storylines". Bawitdaba (talk) 02:02, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Kind of like the other pieces of official Mario media (though not as simple)? Also for Bee Bots and Crab Bots, they were called Buzz Bombers and Crabmeats in Sonic Dash 2, but considering their different designs and names it seems like they are just variants of those Badniks rather than the exact same (though Motobug in Sonic Boom is the same as the game counterpart). Although interesting, the Bee Bots kind of resemble Buzzers as well. Also, I was wondering if Burrobots and Grounders were ever made to be Mole Badniks or just miners? Also, are they related to other mole Badniks like Madmole? Speaking of Grounder, I think the one from TAoStH could have his own page since he is a notable character and not just a generic Grounder. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:06, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Burrobot's Japanese name has mogura in it, so I'd say they are actual mole Badniks. Grounders don't appear to be mole-based, though their traits are def comparable to Burrobot's. Yes it can have its own page. I'm going to sleep now by the way, I'm very tired. Bawitdaba (talk) 02:10, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Wanna make the Crabmeat and Burrobot page now? Also is Burrobot meant to be related to Madmole or no? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:27, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure thing Bawitdaba (talk) 19:14, November 25, 2022 (UTC)
 * You think Shellcrackers are a relative to Crabmeats, since they both appear in a Sonic Frontiers prologue comic together? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:45, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yea -- I'm busy making article Bawitdaba (talk) 04:03, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making the Burrobot and Crabmeat pages, but do any of the other badniks listed as relatives of Crabmeat have any connections to Crabmeat at all? Also, for the other pieces of media sections, you could just copy the info from the wiki and just say the issue the info came from rather than it being sources. Good idea? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:15, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. For other media, yes those section have construction tag listed (means I have to still get to them some time). They're listed as relatives based on fact that they are also crab-based Badniks. Bawitdaba (talk) 09:23, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * Also could the giant Burrobot from Archie issue 3 get their own page? They seem to be an enlarged variant. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:02, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and create it if you'd like Bawitdaba (talk) 16:03, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok I will make it later. Also how do you know those other crab Badniks are relatives (besides Shellcracker since we already know) besides them being crab Badniks? Big Chaser does look and function nothing like Crabmeat. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:25, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * It's simple -- because they're all Badniks and are based on crabs. Parallel to how organic crustaceans (crabs). Bawitdaba (talk) 16:33, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking that since we don’t consider most other mole species in Mario to be Monty Mole species (unless they’re explicitly say they are). Also what do you think of Gun Beatle’s relation with Gun Hawk? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 16:46, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * yes, but Badniks are specific creations & there's only one Sonic franchise. Also, yes I think those two are related, though seeing as they're part of a diff series (Beetle and Hawk respectively) might put them under comparable. This stuff gets complicated at times & sometimes feels arbitrary, which I try to avoid with wikis Bawitdaba (talk) 16:50, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, anyways continue the great work. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 17:05, November 26, 2022 (UTC)
 * For sure I will :) Bawitdaba (talk) 17:06, November 26, 2022 (UTC)

Wanna help with expanding the appearances in other media section in the Crabmeat and Burrobot page? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 05:59, November 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Possibly -- they have construction tags for that reason Bawitdaba (talk) 13:10, November 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, the other Mario & Sonic games don’t have Monty Mole besides the London Wii one right? I am pretty sure that even the 3Ds version of that game doesn’t have Monty Mole. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:39, November 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh and also, anyway to contract the person who uploaded the Super Mario-kun scans? I wanted to ask them a question. MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 21:39, November 27, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah doesn't look like it. And can't you contact them yourself? Bawitdaba (talk) 01:25, November 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * I don’t know how. Also, is Mariopedia going to be up on Monday? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 06:44, November 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems like Cholinga got tired of you (is that true?). If so, he'd prob not respond to queries from me either. They still don't have an ETA for Mariopedia's return (they guessed early this week, though I'm unsure now). Bawitdaba (talk) 12:27, November 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah Cholinga said they were tired of doing translations (though they still want to talk about other stuff like Akira Comics which is cool). I did find someone else who wanted to help do translations so that is cool. Anyways, I do hope that the Mariopedia will go back online soon. Should we make a page on Buzz Bomber next since that is your favorite Badnik? Also, liked my quote I added for? Also, I helped expand the character list for early Archie Sonic comics on Sonic News Network, what do you think about the expanded character pages? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 23:01, November 28, 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah I can probably get to making Buzz Bomber page next. Yes, thank you for adding the quote. We can do those lists, yes, but not if it's one bullet (e.g. ) followed under by another bullet (e.g.  ), as it looks like Sonic News Network does that excessively. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:22, November 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * I read a lot of the early Archie issues and I was wondering if you knew about how poorly Eggman/Robotnik treated Crabmeat? For example, Crabmeat was thrown into a machine that literally killed them in issue 1 and 8, Robotnik made Coconuts kill Crabmeat in issue 2, Robotnik literally made Crabmeat die from his own trap in issue 25, Robotnik commanded Mecha Sonic to murder Crabmeat for no reason in issue 29, among probably some other stuff I forgot. Also why don’t later pieces of media make badniks talk like how they did in the comics? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 01:43, November 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * That's sad -- though Crabmeat is a creation of Eggman, I think. I'm not sure why they don't do that. Bawitdaba (talk) 01:44, November 29, 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok true, Crabmeat is a creation of Robotnik. Also, have you read the Sonic comics and looked at the badnik lore in them? Just wondering. Also, why do people have to make most other pieces of media their own separate timeline since isn’t like every piece of official media canon? Anyways, good luck with making the Buzz Bomber page. Also, is Buzzer a relative to Buzz Bomber? MontyMoleLoreMaster (talk) 02:16, November 29, 2022 (UTC)